21 Responses

  1. Lucas Garvin
    Lucas Garvin July 24, 2013 at 20:00 | | Reply

    Pagelines DMS is awesome! I’ve been a Pagelines developer for the past several years. Working with each iteration more and more. Honestly, the first few weren’t great. They were getting better, but now: DMS holds the record for ease of use and extendability in my book. Overall, very well done.

  2. Yiannis Girod
    Yiannis Girod July 24, 2013 at 20:25 | | Reply

    I visited their website today. 403 Forbidden in many pages…

    1. Lucas Garvin
      Lucas Garvin July 24, 2013 at 20:27 | | Reply

      Yiannis, their site got anonymously hacked. It should be back up now. Check again: http://www.pagelines.com/

  3. Jason Pelker
    Jason Pelker July 24, 2013 at 23:15 | | Reply

    I’d love to read a comparison between Pagelines, Headway and DMS.

    1. Lucas Garvin
      Lucas Garvin July 24, 2013 at 23:17 | | Reply

      Jason, PageLines and DMS are the same thing. 😉

      Headway is, in my opinion, an acceptable alternative but similar to comparing apples to oranges. DMS being the orange because I like oranges better than apples… Ha.

    2. Adrian Walker
      Adrian Walker July 25, 2013 at 00:14 | | Reply

      I have yet to work with DMS, although I am an enthusiastic Pagelines 2 user. From the discussion within Pagelines that I’ve observed about the new product – and the pre-publicity material – I think this may well usher in a revolution in WordPress-based website buildling.

      The templating system in PL2 was powerful – but using it could be confusing to use. DMS seems to have made it easier and even more useful. I’ll know more about the other changes in DMS when I’ve had a chance to use it.

      I haven’t used Headway – and I’d also be interested to read a fair-minded comparison of the kind Jason suggests (likewise for iThemes Builder 4). I did spend quite a while looking at their websites and reading reviews before I made my decision to purchase PL.

      Pagelines/DMS has an active, enthusiastic and growing team of third-party developers and offers plenty of extra modules (called sections) that can easily be used in DMS. Some of these are free, others not. Some are very good value; in other cases, it’s better to use regular WordPress Plugins which can also be deployed in DMS.

      Overall, I’m VERY happy with the choice I made a few months ago, which was to use Pagelines henceforth for most of my own WordPress work. The latest release is like a thick new coat of icing on the cake.

      FWIW, I wrote an article putting some of this experience into (a personal) historical perspective on a new website for Pagelines users – see http://usingpagelines.com/in-the-beginning/

  4. raymond
    raymond July 24, 2013 at 23:45 | | Reply

    Freaking Love It!!!!!

  5. Yiannis Girod
    Yiannis Girod July 25, 2013 at 08:45 | | Reply

    I cannot understand what’s exactly in Membership Pricing > “Pro DMS Editing Tools” and “Pro Only Sections” ?

    1. Anca
      Anca July 26, 2013 at 08:45 | | Reply

      When PageLines Store developers create new tools (sections, plugins) they can choose to make them available for only the Pro/Dev version. Alternatively, they can allow certain features to be available for free & personal, while some more advanced features would be limited if to the pro/dev version. Maybe you’ve see it in some WordPress Plugins (feature available only in the pro version). It was the same in the PageLines Framework (pre-DMS version). Many of us chose to leave all options available for any level of PageLines membership. Some, however, may choose to apply limitations.

  6. Dennis Murrell
    Dennis Murrell July 25, 2013 at 04:18 | | Reply

    Themify.me has recently introduced a drag and drop framework with live editing. Check it out at:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hHw6VKKjcpQ

    Regards – Dennis

    1. Adrian Walker
      Adrian Walker July 26, 2013 at 01:15 | | Reply

      Interesting you mention Themify.me, Dennis. It happens to be the only WP framework, other than Pagelines, that I’ve purchased in recent months. I like it a lot – well implemented, some very nice themes to choose from (I especially like the 3/4 column themes) and keenly priced.

      My impression is Themify’s building/theming tools are considerably less ambitious than Pagelines, but as of now I haven’t been able to get my hands on DMS pro version directly, owing to the hacking of the Pagelines website on DMS launchday.

      I think the WP community needs to wait a little while for a fair review of DMS to be possible; the multiple hacking episode was temporarily crippling and left an impression of amateurishness – which I guess was the whole idea of doing it. In duie time, we’ll find out exactly what it was the hackers have been trying to de-rail. I hope the culprit/s are discovered soon and outed; this kind of sabotage is extremely ugly behaviour.

  7. Yiannis Girod
    Yiannis Girod July 26, 2013 at 08:39 | | Reply

    “After 30 minutes, I could not figure out how to add a logo to the header area on my test site. I still don’t know how.” (http://devpress.com/pagelines-dms-too-sexy-for-release/) – Same for me…

    1. Anca
      Anca July 26, 2013 at 08:50 | | Reply

      Hehe, it has a learning curve 🙂 Basically you need a branding/navigation section active. Go in the front-end, activate the Editor. Go to Global Options > NavBar. Remove the DMS logo from the NavBar Image field. Upload your own. Done.
      You might also want to check the Site Images area of Global Options and set your favicon, mobile touch image, and login screen logo.

  8. Henry
    Henry July 26, 2013 at 16:30 | | Reply

    Either I’m missing something or is DMS just not very good! Having played around with the basic version I can’t see what all the hype has been about. When adding a logo for instance you get a maximum of a mere 29px height to play with – surely not.

    The main aim of any CMS should surely be the end user, not the developer or designer – pagelines seem to have missed this. Sure we all want to be able to drag and drop features, but we also want our clients to have an easy ride when it comes to editing.

    The framework should really be focused on the creation of page templates with the ability to add content blocks and make those easy to edit for the client.

    At the moment very disappointed – as a pagelines subscriber I can’t even get access to my authorisation key!

    1. ahansson89
      ahansson89 July 26, 2013 at 16:35 | | Reply

      What kinda logo do you need? Text logo? Then use MastHead. Image logo, then use contentbox.

  9. ahansson89
    ahansson89 July 26, 2013 at 16:36 | | Reply

    Mediabox for image logos

  10. Dawson Barber
    Dawson Barber July 26, 2013 at 16:41 | | Reply

    Or even just change the dimensions in .navbar .plbrand img in the Custom Code panel.

  11. OKSO
    OKSO July 26, 2013 at 17:11 | | Reply

    Having looked at several other systems I believe DMS get’s it right. Some will want to focus on its drag & drop/no code design concept (*can lead to false expectations and the strongest criticism), others will argue its capability as a developer tool, which it is, if you’re a developer. I think the real grace of DMS is more subtle than those two differentiations though. For the first time in WP site development, I think DMS offers us a craftsman’s toolset, something you enjoy using and feels really good to use, something that allows you to use that precious budget (yours/your clients time/money) to create something beyond average, something unique. As you get more familiar with the system (what doesn’t have a leaning curve? / read the docs) your ideas expand, your creativity takes the driving seat and DMS gives you the keys to do ‘great’ work. I’m just 24hrs into showing clients new development and they are loving what the see.

    When you do your in depth review, please don’t omit to cover the brilliant Import/Export toolset – .json file transfer of Page Templates, Global Settings and Post Type Settings… a web dev highway that provides lightning fast local/server – design base to next client site/design iteration in a click.

    With its Free and Pro plans, DMS will allow many diverse users to produce a higher class of website, with exponential benefits in the realm of website user experience… something that will definitely make the web a better place. Is DMS a revolution? I think it is.

  12. webkompaan
    webkompaan July 30, 2013 at 21:54 | | Reply

    Haven’t looked at DMS yet, although I’ve seen the video’s. I have the PL framework, and to be honest it takes me more time to build the site I want or that was delivered to me by a designer, then with something like Genesis in combination with Dynamik. The css hurts, too many containers, and if you really want something different in design, then PL or DMS is not the right tool. It simply is too limited imho.

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